Econix! Barter! YEAH


Platial does community cartography. Noticed urban homesteading in Portland. People make things that are for homesteading. They set up a barter system. Trying to track what's being traded but how people feel about trade (fair trade vs not) and have you saved money. You might be sitting w/ garage full of wine but you didn't have to buy other things. urbantraders

Platial doesn't allow a lot of transaction. You can communicate via map. Exchange location so it will be there. Not wanting to stick to map-based. Not Craigslist, not other things. Will be about life sustainability, core of how people live. Barter always bleeds out. For right now, it's a good aesthetic.

Tool trade is among consideration. Econix group is more about aggregating, but maybe it can be casual. There are two models - one is experiment among friends and two is 5deg seperation but close together physically.

If you're dealing with small communities the dynamics are different.

  • PDX Time Bank? Still in development. The location span is too big and too few people.

Qualitative data about people's reputation. Craigslist doesn't have this.

A lot of people have attempted this before, but Econix would like to share data without recreating the wheel. Econix is aiming at microformats. BrightNeighbor has a lot of stuff, but how do you share with PDX Time Bank? How do you keep up with this stuff?

Microformat is useful for keeping track of things.

  • What are key data fields you need to have?

Social challenges are biggest problem. How do we get unconnected people into this? Those are most likely people - people who are close to you. Online you can pull together people with similar interests. Bartering does not work well online.

Talk to people in person a la freebox or neighborhood.

Where are the successful examples of community interaction? There are two different audiences for the community gardens. Use our tools for focusing. What is the point of certain social media? We all know people who have valuable tools. Build on top of subsections ie rebuilding center, gardening, etc

Work with existing community stuff - co-ops, etc. Build with community stuff with cohesion!! The questions that arise in trade can't be put onto any things… do I like this person's kombucha? or their chicken coops? _quality_ We're already trading work parties. It's there and has no form but from something that already exists.

Let's have group activities with some objective! Potluck, kickball,


Aggregating can be overwhelming! Static vs noise ratio is bad. If you all follow the same people, you get the same information. Unless you're trying for semantic web, you're never going to get true personalisation. Explicit coding is unnecessary. vs Vark

Hunch is another profile system. You answer questions about yourself. You ask it a question and it gives you an answer. You are engaged in a quiz activity. It has more information than from Facebook. It shows you the overlap of your preferences on a micro level and high overview. The level of accuracy is high. Vark also does this, but it's terrible. They don't have enough data to understand a person. It's a little tiny group of people you already know. If I were filtering Econix by my group, that would be a nice direction.

Soup Night

A great community in Sullivan's Gulch. There's a hub of leaders and others come and go. It's a neighborhood potluck. There's a giant soup pot. There's a lot of freeloaders, transient. They also do neighborhood swap.

Strong Leadership

People who collaborate and build standards are successful. It's not about technology - it's about strong leadership from the chair. It's human history.

Leadership not being topdown

Some people start certain things, but once something gets going, it works a la Legion of Tech. There was a group that had high traffic.

  • Critical Mass - there is no leader. I don't know who the leaders are but you don't need to. It's selfless. (Di-Ann)
  • You need top-down leadership for tangibility. If there is profit, it starts to get tricky. Once you get into bartering goods, how do you prevent people from taking advantage of others? Trust.
  • Be an organizer, not a leader.
  • Outcome may not have tangible outcome, but if there is a sense of value and event is well organized / small group / accountability - that will be awesomeness.

More Notes'n'quotes

platial experiment in bartering via homesteading interests bartering: track what's been traded, as well as savings over time “how much did bartering save you this month” trade on a map not etsy, not craigslist - bartering is key goods/services about sustainable to life and a good way to model the experiment

inter-community exchange

“i could send my winter jacket to argentina for 6mos of the year”

portland time bank tool library

many tools/communities swaptree many ppl offline ushahidi? bulletin board per block or per mailbox distributed freebox

over-generalized social media, stay specific don't romanticize community garden “communities”, not necessarily tight/cohesive

build on existing communities i don't even like that person's kombucha. can they even build a chicken coop?

“communities” are often informal groups that don't think of themselves as such “need to be indignant about something to be a community” ;)

getting groups to meet on some common issue kickball teams: “this person has mulch, and they're from the firebirds”

filtering on subject “i like junk”, “we call it treasure”

filters suck. too much regurgitated data. eg: reading mobile news from only europe led to unique news accurate learning not enough data: kickball: small group of ppl you already know directional filtering

sullivan's gulch soup night: big community, built-on a few core leaders neighborhood potluck - host makes soup, everyone else brings stuff already free-riders, ppl who don't bring stuff, never host, etc neighborhood plant swap - gulch-o-rama sunnyside swap shop

examples of non-top-down leadership wherecamp: no clear driver - community planned critical mass: leaderless ride non-tangible outcome/product, no direct profit ask wherecamp ppl to do a session free-rider non-official leaders. organizers is a better term. stand for children.

need to keep experimenting “you can borrow these children”

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